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		<title>Comment on Is Comcast (still, really) blocking BitTorrent? by Brett Glass</title>
		<link>http://bennett.com/blog/index.php/archives/2008/05/15/is-comcast-still-really-blocking-bittorrent/#comment-420696</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comcast would be 100% justified if it DID block BitTorrent, because BitTorrent and other P2P programs violate its terms of service and take its bandwidth without compensation. They also degrade the performance of the network for legitimate users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comcast would be 100% justified if it DID block BitTorrent, because BitTorrent and other P2P programs violate its terms of service and take its bandwidth without compensation. They also degrade the performance of the network for legitimate users.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Comcast (still, really) blocking BitTorrent? by Richard Bennett</title>
		<link>http://bennett.com/blog/index.php/archives/2008/05/15/is-comcast-still-really-blocking-bittorrent/#comment-420665</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 09:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comcast has always said that they only prune TCP connections for BitTorrent in seeding mode, and only then when the segment is highly loaded. The effect of this is to take bandwidth from BT seeders and re-distribute it to other applications. The main beneficiary of this is actually BitTorrent itself, in the typical sharing mode. So it's simply a matter of throttling BT in one condition to aid BT in another.

The "study" by the Germans didn't measure BT throughput, and that's the important statistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comcast has always said that they only prune TCP connections for BitTorrent in seeding mode, and only then when the segment is highly loaded. The effect of this is to take bandwidth from BT seeders and re-distribute it to other applications. The main beneficiary of this is actually BitTorrent itself, in the typical sharing mode. So it&#8217;s simply a matter of throttling BT in one condition to aid BT in another.</p>
<p>The &#8220;study&#8221; by the Germans didn&#8217;t measure BT throughput, and that&#8217;s the important statistic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Comcast (still, really) blocking BitTorrent? by George Ou</title>
		<link>http://bennett.com/blog/index.php/archives/2008/05/15/is-comcast-still-really-blocking-bittorrent/#comment-420662</link>
		<dc:creator>George Ou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 06:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, Comcast didn't change their message; they always maintain that they're delaying BitTorrent.

This report only confirms that individual TCP connections are being blocked; it's being misreported as BitTorrent being blocked.  BitTorrent uses dozens of TCP streams so blocking a few of those streams has the effect of slowing down BitTorrent thus "delay".  Furthermore, as TCP streams are broken, BitTorrent will naturally open up more connections automatically within seconds of connections being broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, Comcast didn&#8217;t change their message; they always maintain that they&#8217;re delaying BitTorrent.</p>
<p>This report only confirms that individual TCP connections are being blocked; it&#8217;s being misreported as BitTorrent being blocked.  BitTorrent uses dozens of TCP streams so blocking a few of those streams has the effect of slowing down BitTorrent thus &#8220;delay&#8221;.  Furthermore, as TCP streams are broken, BitTorrent will naturally open up more connections automatically within seconds of connections being broken.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Comcast (still, really) blocking BitTorrent? by bt</title>
		<link>http://bennett.com/blog/index.php/archives/2008/05/15/is-comcast-still-really-blocking-bittorrent/#comment-420658</link>
		<dc:creator>bt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 05:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Rich you need to read more about an issue before blaggin' about it.

They are blocking only at certain CO's, so you may not be on a Sandvine infected connection. The test's results show that half the traffic is being blocked, but not blocked totally. Which makes sense if you've read into Sandvine and the service they sell. The idea of Sandvine is to corrupt the quality of the traffic. You'll get your torrent, while still being blocked, and degrading everyone else's experience. 

If the peers are numerous, on bittorrent friendly ISPs, and not total leeches, it wont be a problem. The torrent will live a long and happy life, and no one goes off to complain to the FCC about interference to their paid service. But what if two people in an area with Sandvine hardware installed, do a peer to peer transfer both ways? The result is both clients spinning next to nothing. 

The hardware is still installed, and active, all the friggin time. Contrary to what they've told the public, and the FCC. Multiple times. Thats the point. Their original story was a lie, its revised story was another lie, what they told the FCC is a lie, and their current spin on these results is just a restated lie. Bullocks to your test, the only result of it is that we know that particular Fedora torrent is healthy. I prefer Debian anyways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Rich you need to read more about an issue before blaggin&#8217; about it.</p>
<p>They are blocking only at certain CO&#8217;s, so you may not be on a Sandvine infected connection. The test&#8217;s results show that half the traffic is being blocked, but not blocked totally. Which makes sense if you&#8217;ve read into Sandvine and the service they sell. The idea of Sandvine is to corrupt the quality of the traffic. You&#8217;ll get your torrent, while still being blocked, and degrading everyone else&#8217;s experience. </p>
<p>If the peers are numerous, on bittorrent friendly ISPs, and not total leeches, it wont be a problem. The torrent will live a long and happy life, and no one goes off to complain to the FCC about interference to their paid service. But what if two people in an area with Sandvine hardware installed, do a peer to peer transfer both ways? The result is both clients spinning next to nothing. </p>
<p>The hardware is still installed, and active, all the friggin time. Contrary to what they&#8217;ve told the public, and the FCC. Multiple times. Thats the point. Their original story was a lie, its revised story was another lie, what they told the FCC is a lie, and their current spin on these results is just a restated lie. Bullocks to your test, the only result of it is that we know that particular Fedora torrent is healthy. I prefer Debian anyways.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Comcast (still, really) blocking BitTorrent? by Richard Bennett</title>
		<link>http://bennett.com/blog/index.php/archives/2008/05/15/is-comcast-still-really-blocking-bittorrent/#comment-420637</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said, I simply tested my Comcast link and reported the results. My tests show that Comcast does not prevent me from using BitTorrent. What Comcast says or doesn't say is irrelevant, what matters to me is what actually happens on the network.

My testing shows that Comcast does not "block" BitTorrent from or to my house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said, I simply tested my Comcast link and reported the results. My tests show that Comcast does not prevent me from using BitTorrent. What Comcast says or doesn&#8217;t say is irrelevant, what matters to me is what actually happens on the network.</p>
<p>My testing shows that Comcast does not &#8220;block&#8221; BitTorrent from or to my house.</p>
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